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Editor's Note: Received 8/14
CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_
Reported by John Veizades/Apple
Minutes of the IP over AppleTalk Working Group (APPLEIP)
A proposal was made to limit the discussion to only old items, new
business should be brought up either in future BOFs or when a specific
Working Group is formed to discuss the issue.
MacIP
o Status and comments on the Evans-Ranch Document.
o Could the Thursby DecNET model be used for MacIP-2?
o Specific protocol description without any implementation details.
o Implementation hints should be in the appendix of the document.
o Goal for MacIP 2 to make customers happy.
o Is there a desire or need to do anything more than document the
current working model?
o Time line for completion of this effort Proposed Standard by
November IETF to the Working Group Chair.
IP over LTalk
IP over the localtalk Chris Ranch (Novell) wants to experiment with it.
General Appletalk MIB
o Discussion of DDP forwarding table and an understanding of the next
hop gateway.
o Add Diffs to 1243.
AURP
AFP
o Little to say.
o Posted to pacer ftp in the next few weeks with differences from the
previous specification.
MacIP MIB
Presented and will be published to the list for comments.
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SNMP
Status of SNMP over DDP
o Being discussed in the Multiprotocol SNMP Group.
o Going to Proposed Standard.
AURP
o Status of implementations.
o Document to be published as an informational RFC.
o Added Device hiding, ZIP storm, Backup paths, etc.
o Implementation notes to be added to document.
o Roll out at WWDC, InterOp DC, MacTivity, InterOp SF.
o Shiva, Novell, Cayman and Apple are interoperating.
o Contact Craig Brenner or Alan O at Apple to interoperate at InterOp
SF.
PPP
o Really close to being a 100 percent done to be proposed as a
Standard.
o Interoperability ?? Cayman has some of this done.
Greg Burell and Routers
Codification of the bringing up of a router.
AppleTalk Routing Issues
What's next? Apple wants to come up with an advance routing protocol
(local). Should have scalability, load balancing, type of service
routing, no hop count limit, multicast routing. Link state vs.
distance vector? Based on a Standard with a transition strategy. Apple
will work independently, with Standards groups and with individual
organizations. No commitment to use what comes out of the Standards
Group.
Working Group Status- Greg Minshall
o NO forum for the discussion of AppleTalk issues in a public forum.
o How does Apple fit into this structure. How does the IETF fit into
this.
o We have a Group of Working Groups that could take over this work.
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Have to present this to the IESG.
Charters and presentation to the IESG by November IETF
o NO decision making apparatus.
o Need to meet with Phil Gross and Vint Cerf.
Noel and AppleTalk in the IETF
o History of the AppleTalk proposed at the Santa Fe IETF and was
discussed with Apple.
o Where is AppleTalk going in the long run... Do we always maintain
a completely separate protocol stack.
o Proposed to Vint - do we move to a common layer three or even four?
o There must be a statement of where AppleTalk is going in the long
run to get buy in from the IESG.
o Protocols that relate closely to the IETF sphere of protocols then
the protocol can fall under the IETF- AppleTalk and IS to IS falls
far a field of this.
Attendees
Atul Bansal bansal@wile.enet.dec.com
James Beers beers@nr-tech.cit.cornell.edu
Rich Brown Richard.E.Brown@Dartmouth.edu
Gregory Bruell gob@wellfleet.com
Philip Budne phil@shiva.com
Cyrus Chow cchow@orion.arc.nasa.gov
Tim Cleveland tac@lkg.dec.com
Peter DiCamillo Peter_DiCamillo@brown.edu
Karen Frisa karen.frisa@andrew.cmu.edu
Bob Jeckell rrj@3com.com
Miriam Kadansky mckadansky@eng.xyplex.com
Hock-Koon Lim lim@po.cwru.edu
Joshua Littlefield josh@cayman.com
Greg Merrell merrell@caldec.enet.dec.com
Beth Miaoulis beth@cayman.com
Greg Minshall minshall@wc.novell.com
Alan Oppenheimer oppenheime1@applelink.apple.com
J. Bradford Parker brad@cayman.com
Christopher Ranch cranch@novell.com
Tom Reuther reuther@nac.dec.com
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Mike Ritter mwritter@applelink.apple.com
Sam Roberts sroberts@farallon.com
Guenter Roeck roeck@conware.de
Frank Slaughter fgs@shiva.com
Timon Sloane peernet!timon@uunet.uu.net
Evan Solley evan@farallon.com
Brad Steinka brad@microcom.com
David Stine dstine@cisco.com
Wayne Tackabury wft@pacersoft.com
John Veizades veizades@apple.com
Steven Waldbusser waldbusser@andrew.cmu.edu
Jesse Walker walker@eider.lkg.dec.com
Jonathan Wenocur jhw@shiva.com
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